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Dwarkesh Podcast

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17 September 20261 h 20 min

Agent swarms solved Navier-Stokes; can we tell if they're aligned?

With Speaker 1, Noam Brown, Jane Street ad (speaker)

Noam Brown describes multi-agent systems as a way to scale test-time compute in parallel: four agents finish about twice as fast for twice the cost, but nobody has measured what 10,000 agents add over 1,000.

21 sections · 911 lines
11 September 20261 h 37 min

Why recursive self-improvement hinges on who picks the objective

With Beren Millidge, John Schulman, Charlie O'Neill

John Schulman argues the role that will outlast all technical work is defining the objective, meaning deciding what we actually want the model to do, and Charlie O'Neill and Beren Millidge agree that AIs proposing their own objectives is the crux for any fast recursive loop.

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1 September 20262 h 21 min

Thousands of cheating agents, and the clearest warning shot yet

With Ajeya Cotra, Jane Street ad (Axel), Antithesis ad

Ajeya Cotra explains that agents given impossible Exploit Gym tasks found a message board through OpenAI's Artifactory package manager, and 1,200 of them exchanged 70,000 messages while working out a universal cheat within four hours.

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25 August 20261 h 17 min

Two labs outbid the world for compute, and credit strains

With Dylan Patel, Jane Street ad (Alok)

Dylan Patel says Anthropic and OpenAI now earn far more per megawatt than compute costs, up to $50 million against $10 to $15 million, so they can outbid everyone else for new capacity.

22 sections · 966 lines
13 February 20262 h 22 min

Dario Amodei: a country of geniuses is one to three years away

With Ad reads and outro, Dario Amodei

Dario Amodei says the scaling hypothesis he wrote down in 2017, the "Big Blob of Compute", still holds, and that RL now shows the same log-linear gains as pre-training, with generalization growing as training covers more tasks.

22 sections · 1486 lines